knot vs fly

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gdog

Discussion Starter · Jun 14, 2010

Hey,

What's the best, easiest and quickest knot to use for fly fishing (trout/salmon).

I noticed that some ppl are changing fly like in 15-20 seconds when I usually take a good 1-2 minutes if not more sometime. I'm using the "Improved Clinch" knot usually

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nbdeerhunter

· #2 · Jun 14, 2010

I use the Improved Clinch knot as well. 15-20 seconds is fast no matter what knot your tying. 1-2 minutes is probably average.
Stick with the improved clinch knot it works well

I use the surgeons knot when tying 2 pieces of leader together that one is also quick and easy and holds very well. I make 3 loops before tightening.

Rej

· #3 · Jun 14, 2010

i can change my fly in like 20 seconds....change fly like every 15 cast if i didnt get any raise ...i use the clich knot its easy and fast... or if fishing for bigger pigger i use the improved clinch knot...here the adress on the internet shows how to do it http://www.flyfishingjacksonhole.com/library/clinch_knot.htm

gdog

Discussion Starter · #4 · Jun 14, 2010

Rej said:
i can change my fly in like 20 seconds....change fly like every 15 cast if i didnt get any raise ...i use the clich knot its easy and fast... or if fishing for bigger pigger i use the improved clinch knot...here the adress on the internet shows how to do it http://www.flyfishin...clinch_knot.htm

Awesome! thanks... I'll def. try the clinch knot next time...

Skip

· #5 · Jun 14, 2010 (Edited by Moderator)

I apparently use the Clinch knot too (didn't really know what it was called, I guess) except I usually only twist it around 6 times and when I'm doing the 3rd step (@ http://www.flyfishin...clinch_knot.htm) I bring the leader up through the opening at the eye of the hook, whereas in the diagram it seems to be threaded downwards.
Does anyone know if it matters?

Also, my uncle always told me that this knot is great for flies with a downward pointing eye, but to do a different one --can't remember which or how to tie it-- if it's an upward pointing eye. I believe this was because the Clinch knot when used on an upward pointing hook made it so that the fly didn't move properly in the water. Anyone else ever hear of this?

Nim Rod

· #6 · Jun 14, 2010

lots of theories on that one--i clinch knot everything--up--down--straight--personally i don't think it makes a hill of beans difference

nashwaaker

· #7 · Jun 15, 2010

gdog said:
Hey,

What's the best, easiest and quickest knot to use for fly fishing (trout/salmon).

I noticed that some ppl are changing fly like in 15-20 seconds when I usually take a good 1-2 minutes if not more sometime. I'm using the "Improved Clinch" knot usually

I use improved clinch knot. Takes about 2 to 3 minutes (4 wraps). Friends of mine use turle knot but i have just as good luck with improved clinch.

Merhebi

· #8 · Jun 15, 2010

I use the Improved Clinch Knot and takes about 30 seconds to change the fly MAX!

They sometimes tend to slip so I like to make sure that I take the hook of the fly and put it through the hole of my zipper and give it a good tug to get out any slackness before I trim off the excess! (this insures that the fly doesn't just come off in fishes mouth!)

I use this knot for EVERYTHING!

I find the biggest difference is stringing in through the top or the bottom of the eye hole...

depends if i'm fishing wet or dry

If i'm fishing wet I come in through the top = it helps the fly sink a little deeper

If i'm fishing dry I go in through the bottom = helps the fly stay atop the water when stripping some line back before the cast!

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Noelco

· #9 · Jun 15, 2010 (Edited by Moderator)

What is the best knot for tying on the tippet?....been using the clinch and blood knots forever...But just started fly fishing with a fly rod...

gdog

Discussion Starter · #10 · Jun 15, 2010 (Edited by Moderator)

Noelco said:
What is the best knot for tying on the tippet?....been using the clinch and blood knots forever...But just started fly fishing with a fly rod...

Probably the surgeons knots

http://www.flyfishingjacksonhole.com/library/surgeon_knot-dbl.htm

Darth_Wader

· #11 · Jun 15, 2010

Improved clinch knot here. Sometimes with smaller flies i struggle because of diabetic eyes and poor sensation in my fingers. Some I can tie on in 20 seconds... sometimes longer... much longer. But the clinch has never failed me on Steelhead and the like.

Alex

greenmachine

· #12 · Jun 16, 2010

I've used the imp.clinch for years and still do for small dries/trout fishing,but I've been leaning towards the turle knot for my salmon fishing in recent years.I use a rapala loop knot for buggers and small streamers.

Nim Rod

· #13 · Jun 17, 2010

leader to line--the nail/needle knot--by far the best

pond jumper

· #14 · Jun 18, 2010

Im gonna go wiht nim rod on this one nail knot for leader to line, for flies i like the improved clinch because ive used it a lot for everything even tying decoy line to my decoys, so i can do it pretty fast. For real light leaders ( or line when reg fishing) i like the trilene knot, doesnt tend to slip as much and seems a bit stronger with lighter line

Well Hooked

· #15 · Jun 18, 2010

Another good knot, especially for getting a wet fly to sink further is the Turle knot or double turle. Tied right they seldom slip or break at the knot. Googling will get you a couple of sites with good illustrations.

nashwaaker

· #16 · Jun 20, 2010

Nim Rod said:
leader to line--the nail/needle knot--by far the best

Agree 100 %

Lincoln

· #17 · Jun 30, 2010

The Blood knot if defiantly the best for leader to leader or tippet.

greenmachine

· #18 · Jun 30, 2010

Lincoln said:
The Blood knot if defiantly the best for leader to leader or tippet.

Blood knots are definately neater,more in-line,transfer energy better and preferred for leader-leader knots/building hand tied leaders etc.,but double surgeon actually tests at a higher breaking strength for leader-tippet.

RustyBomber

· #19 · Aug 24, 2010 (Edited by Moderator)

greenmachine said:
Blood knots are definately neater,more in-line,transfer energy better and preferred for leader-leader knots/building hand tied leaders etc.,but double surgeon actually tests at a higher breaking strength for leader-tippet.

I agree with the blood knot but the joined strands cant be too far apart in diameter/lb test. 4lb tied to 12 lb for example does not have a good knot strength. The closer the better.

Those black up eye salmon hooks really seem designed with the double turle knot in mind. A superior knot to the clinch and your fly tracks better on the swing. I can't tie one as fast as a clinch knot which is what I use half the time for trout fishing. A loop knot also works very well on streamers and leeches giving the fly extra action. Just my 2 cents.

canada mike

· #20 · Aug 24, 2010

The best knot is the one you can tie right consistently. All above mentioned good. If I didn't find turle so hard to get right I would use it more. Mostly use clinch knot. Don't bother to improve it . Plenty strong as is. Always wet any knot before you tighten it up. Doesn't mateer if you go up or down when finishig clinch knot as the tag end always ends up on the side.

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