[A2F]

Hey Guys , I am thinking of heading to the Hampton Bridge today with a buddy of mine weather permiting. If you were targeting Pickerel and SMB would you head up towards Sussex down towards Mehans cove area?

 

[nbborn]

I dont think it really maters. That area has pickerel everywere. If you head down toward mehans cove area make sure to stop at all the little grassy pockets along the way. there is a good spot on the corner above wear the plane normally is. Hampton marsh is always good. you could even go and fish the coves of Darlings lake. I think the bass are still spawning so the shallow coves might be your best bet for them. I will warn you since the gasperaux came up the river all I've been catching is tiny pickerel. Normally I get a few giants on that stretch of the river but the last few times out my biggest was probably only 20". Let me know if you have any luck.

 

[A2F]

Ended up hitting some bass in the hansen stream res, Did well but lost a few lures on bottom but boated some nice bass just before the thunder started. We just got back intime before the rain started.

 

[greenmachine]

Ended up hitting some bass in the hansen stream res, Did well but lost a few lures on bottom but boated some nice bass just before the thunder started. We just got back intime before the rain started.

You mean to say that the bucket brigades have spread bass into the Hanson system now?Where does the madness end?What a shame...I sure hope you killed every last one you boated.

 

[Twinfan]

You mean to say that the bucket brigades have spread bass into the Hanson system now?Where does the madness end?What a shame...I sure hope you killed every last one you boated.

Bass have been down there for at least 10 years.

Can't kill any till July 1st - they're a sportfish with a season and bag limits in NB

 

[nbborn]

You mean to say that the bucket brigades have spread bass into the Hanson system now?Where does the madness end?What a shame...I sure hope you killed every last one you boated.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Invasive or not treatment of fish like that is illegal and I hope for your sake I never catch you doing that cause I'd call the DNR just as fast as I would on a salmon poacher. Or just as fast as I would call on someone transporting bass from one place to another.

 

[delete]

You should be ashamed of yourself. Invasive or not treatment of fish like that is illegal and I hope for your sake I never catch you doing that cause I'd call the DNR just as fast as I would on a salmon poacher. Or just as fast as I would call on someone transporting bass from one place to another.

I think there needs to be a compromise when it is a body of water where, up to recently, have never had any non native invasive species. If there was a policy that allowed destroying invasive species regardless of provincial regulations in bodies of water that are deemed to have recent introduction of non-native warm water species, then that would be fair to all. Rivers and lakes that have had pickerel and smallmouth bass for years should be left alone, however, our remaining trout and salmon waters must be protected at all costs from invasive species, before it gets out of hand. I know what group of anglers share 90% of the blame for introduction of smallmouth bass into new bodies of water, can anyone else guess, its not that hard.

 

[Twinfan]

I know what group of anglers share 90% of the blame for introduction of smallmouth bass into new bodies of water, can anyone else guess, its not that hard.

Bigfish1 - this is not a slap at your post, but just using your wording to make a broader point.

It is perhaps a minor point, but words do sometimes provide credibility to people and their actions when they need to be clearly denounced. Example - a "group of anglers" implies that the activity of introducing non-native species is somehow a part of or acceptable in the sport of angling. It is not - it is an illegal activity. The sentence above should perhaps read "I know what group of lazy short-sighted self-interested criminals share 90% of the blame for..." etc.

A rural road sign with a bunch of bullet holes in it was not shot up by "hunters", it was defaced by vandals. Someone who shoplifts is not an enthusiastic jewellry collector - he is a thief.

As an aside, I fish for whatever is legal on whatever body of water I happen to be visiting. I don't much prefer one species over the next. I would consider myself a bass fisherman as much as I would consider myself a flyfishing enthusiast or trout fisherman. I do not move species around and the way in which these general terms or phrases like "group of anglers" gets chucked around implies that, if I am part of that group, I might participate in or at least support the described illegal activity. I do not and lots of other folks don't either.

Let's call this crap what it is - a violation of the law. Let's not give credibility to the participants by calling them anglers and lets not slur real anglers by implying they take part in the illegal activities.

There - that's my rant for June, now back to your regular programming!

 

[greenmachine]

As long as we're calling a spade a spade,why not call out this "group of anglers" for what they are...ignorant,selfish bassholes.There's hardly a watershed remaining in southern NB that hasn't had bass illegally introduced in recent years,which has all but ensured the doom of our native trout fisheries.Hanson Res....beginning of the end for the Hanson Stream and the 3 headwater trout lakes.West Long Lk.....say goodbye to the wild trout of Lepreau River with bass illegally introed to the very headwater.Sherwood Lake-kiss the West Br.Musquash trout goodbye,and please don't blow sunshine up my ass and try to tell me they migrated up through the rips and miles of high gradient rapids....they were put into Sherwood by someone..period.Then probably most alarming is the plight of Miramichi Lk,the very headwaters of the most productive salmon watershed in the world.Where does it all end?I'll tell ya one thing,it ends at the end of my fly leader with any invasive bass-tards I catch.***** and bears gotta eat too.

 

[nbborn]

It's a slipery slope to walk when you start taking it apon yourself to decide when it's ok to break the law and when it's not. Which laws to follow and which to ignore. I don't disagree that something should be done and I can even see how you think what your doing is right but I was always raised to respect what I fished and hunted for and I find this disrespectfull to the fish. When you kill bass indiscriminately your breaking the fishing regulations and in the eyes of the law are as guilty as the clowns with the buckets.
Anyway I'm pretty sure most people on this website disagree with me so this will be my last post on the topic so I dont start a flame war. Plus I dont want to anger anyone, I might need their advice on fishing someday LOL

 

[greenmachine]

IMHO,laws and rules flew out the window the day that some bucket brigade basshole took it upon himself to break them.I was raised to respect fish & game also(and the laws),and I have more respect for the bass than I do the moron who put them there,which is why I quickly/humanely dispatch them....unlike what I'd do to any buckethead I catch spreading them.If I was able to,I'd keep them and fillet them....but I can't so.......oh well...nothing goes to waste in nature and they shouldn't be there violating my trout flies in the 1st place.If my killing every bass I encounter where they don't belong helps just a bit in slowing their spread,saving some trout fingerlings and salmon parr from their jaws,and keeps a trout stream alive and productive for just a little bit longer.....maybe long enough for my kids to enjoy them as I have(?)....well,I guess that's the best I can do.

 

[delete]

Bigfish1 - this is not a slap at your post, but just using your wording to make a broader point.

It is perhaps a minor point, but words do sometimes provide credibility to people and their actions when they need to be clearly denounced. Example - a "group of anglers" implies that the activity of introducing non-native species is somehow a part of or acceptable in the sport of angling. It is not - it is an illegal activity. The sentence above should perhaps read "I know what group of lazy short-sighted self-interested criminals share 90% of the blame for..." etc.

A rural road sign with a bunch of bullet holes in it was not shot up by "hunters", it was defaced by vandals. Someone who shoplifts is not an enthusiastic jewellry collector - he is a thief.

As an aside, I fish for whatever is legal on whatever body of water I happen to be visiting. I don't much prefer one species over the next. I would consider myself a bass fisherman as much as I would consider myself a flyfishing enthusiast or trout fisherman. I do not move species around and the way in which these general terms or phrases like "group of anglers" gets chucked around implies that, if I am part of that group, I might participate in or at least support the described illegal activity. I do not and lots of other folks don't either.

Let's call this crap what it is - a violation of the law. Let's not give credibility to the participants by calling them anglers and lets not slur real anglers by implying they take part in the illegal activities.

There - that's my rant for June, now back to your regular programming!

It sounds like you caught my drift and might know of some of the guilty parties or be associated with them through membership, otherwise you might not have taken such offensive to my inconspicuous wording. I should have put "anglers" in quotation marks on my first post to make it obvious that these "anglers" deserve much harsher titles. If you are part of an organization that is led by some of those who promote transplating invasive non native species and has members among its ranks who also participate in these illegal activities, then maybe some education, public denunciation and/or ejection from membership would bring awareness to the seriousness of the problems.

The illegal stocking bothers me, but some of the reasons behind it bother me worse. Money is the main thing, whether it is to sell more fishing tackle, get more practice closer to home for tournaments, or to create opportunities for new angling species such as largemouth and walleye, again to sell more tackle...Oh yes walleye, I have heard people scheming about bringing walleye back from Quebec. Some people do it just because they like to fish for bass and are so backwards and ignorant of basic fish biology that they think it won't affect native species. I'm sure there are a few bodies of water that can no longer provide suitable water qualities for salmonoids that would be optimal for other species and the government should create angling opportunities in these waters, but due to the fact the IF the government stocked any warmwater non native species, it would only encourage illegal stocking. Just look at how Maine is enhancing their recreational fisheries compared to New Brunswick. They are making things better for native species, while introducing species etc into lakes to create new angling opportunities and doing a lot of stocking. Perhaps if our fisheries were managed better, we wouldn't be dealing with illegal stocking on the levels we are now.

I know some of the people who have done some well known bass transplations and know people who know even more, but some of them could lose their jobs, lose credibility, sponsorships and advertisers if I were to post the facts I know. It would be of no use to pursue the matters further because it would be my words against their's and that doesn't stand up in a court of law. I've been censored on sites merely for hinting of what group of "basstards" "vandals" "basssholes" "bucketeers" or whatever you want to call them, belong to.

 

[Twinfan]

It sounds like you caught my drift and might know of some of the guilty parties or be associated with them through membership, otherwise you might not have taken such offensive to my inconspicuous wording.

I don't know of anyone nor am I associated with anyone that condones this activity (unless it is hidden somewhere in the Secret Member's Code for the Sussex Fish & Game Club or Delta Waterfowl...) The "association" that I have is that I enjoy fishing for bass, as well as several other species. I don't appreciate it when folks presume that means I am part of an illegal conspiracy.

If I did know anything, I would call it in as soon as I saw it.

 

[nbborn]

I'm in that same boat Twinfan. I love to fish bass but I would never in a million years do any thing remotely illegal while fishing. Well thats not completely true lol(puff puff). I wouldn't break any fishing regs. These guys with the buckets give all bass fihermen a bad name.

 

[nbborn]

Well nbborn, and anybody else to whom it applies; I'm not a poacher, nor a lawbreaker. BUT, I draw a line when some knucklehead bass-er feels it's their right to introduce "shitfish" in an otherwise salmon or trout river. When I catch a shitfish in one of those rivers, like the Kennebecasis or the Hammond, THAT's the only time I will use the "stroover release"** on them, just so you know.

** please visit ********.com and type "shitfish" or 'stroover release' in the search window to know more.

I can't see what website your telling me to visit. PM me the site if it can't be posted here. Honestly I'm kind of scared that the `stroover release` might be something you do in the shower. lol

 

[nbborn]

Yeah I guess I just don't get it. It's probably since I never really fished for trout. I don't eat fish so trout don't have any angling value to me. Maybe if someone threatened my perfered species I would understand. Oh wait thats what your doing.(relax it`s a joke I know its not the same thing) Anyway I might not agree with your methods but I can see why you do it. If some jerk was trying to ruin something I was passionate about I wouldn`t take it sitting down either. I guess we will have to agee to disagree.

 

[Stroover]

Yeah I guess I just don't get it. It's probably since I never really fished for trout. I don't eat fish so trout don't have any angling value to me. Maybe if someone threatened my perfered species I would understand. Oh wait thats what your doing.(relax it`s a joke I know its not the same thing) Anyway I might not agree with your methods but I can see why you do it. If some jerk was trying to ruin something I was passionate about I wouldn`t take it sitting down either. I guess we will have to agee to disagree.

Agreed.

 

[delete]

Well nbborn, and anybody else to whom it applies; I'm not a poacher, nor a lawbreaker. BUT, I draw a line when some knucklehead bass-er feels it's their right to introduce "shitfish" in an otherwise salmon or trout river. When I catch a shitfish in one of those rivers, like the Kennebecasis or the Hammond, THAT's the only time I will use the "stroover release"** on them, just so you know.

** please visit ********.com and type "shitfish" or 'stroover release' in the search window to know more.

Ya, I figured that was you in the kayak on the hammond who made a comment about bass when after you had asked me what I just caught. I didn't care much for your attitude, regardless of the fact that smallmouth are non native. The smallmouth have been in the river for a long time and you will never get rid of them by yourself so, leave them alone, until the government decides to allow destruction of this species in these watersheds and is fully committed to salmonoid recovery. When that time comes, I will be one of the first pulling bass out of the river, but until then, I will continue thoroughly enjoy fishing for bass in the hammond and kennebecasis rivers.

I hope in the future you do the right thing and release any bass you catch out of season or undersized, alive and well. If you feel so strongly that they should be destroyed, do something more constructive like starting a campaign to rid the hammmond of bass and get backing from fishing associations and anyone else.

 

[greenmachine]

The smallmouth have been in the river for a long time and you will never get rid of them by yourself so, leave them alone, until the government decides to allow destruction of this species in these watersheds and is fully committed to salmonoid recovery.

Yeah,that's a great plan....sit around and wait for the govt. to take action.

Hammond,Kenni,and Nashwaak are possibly the only hopes in hell we have of ever seeing Bay of Fundy salmon fishing ever again in our lifetime....or any future person's lifetime for that matter.But let's all just sit back and wait for the govt. to make a move while the bass eat every last trout and parr and there's nothing left to save.Good plan.

 

[nbborn]

Yeah,that's a great plan....sit around and wait for the govt. to take action.

Hammond,Kenni,and Nashwaak are possibly the only hopes in hell we have of ever seeing Bay of Fundy salmon fishing ever again in our lifetime....or any future person's lifetime for that matter.But let's all just sit back and wait for the govt. to make a move while the bass eat every last trout and parr and there's nothing left to save.Good plan.

Actually I think your wrong on that one. More than likely that ship has sailed. You would need a time machine to save the Salmon population in the bay of fundy. And really the bass you kill won't make any difference either. The government just sat back and let it happen. Now lets all watch as they let the same thing happen to the Miramichi. How long before they act on that, one year... two years....I personally believe that the goverment and tourism industries crunched the numbers and realized that bass fishing is better for the economy so their just going to let it happen. They don't seem to care about musky now that musky fishing is creating revenue for the province. How's that for a whacked out conspiracy theory.

Edit: Somehow "Hampton bridge" just doesn't seem like an appropriote title for this topic anymore. This thread has been officially Hijacked